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« Thread Started on May 4, 2009, 11:28pm » | |
This has really been bugging me, it bugs, even haunts me to some extent. What is beauty? No, i'm not asking for a dictionary definition, so don't even go there.
let my explain a little. i don't understand what beauty is - is beauty something that i perceive in and of myself, or is beauty a attribute of the subject i view? If it is a attribute i attach to a subject, then am i wrong in my declaring something beautiful or not beautiful? Are there things that should be beautiful to all? i wonder because i can look at one person and say "this person, truly, is beautiful." That is, they are pleasing to the eye and/ or they have such qualities that i cannot say are otherwise. Then i can find myself minutes later, declaring truly that this person is not beautiful. Does a subject stay beautiful, or does it's attributes change? How is it that the aesthetics of other subjects can effect (whether viewed years ago, or while viewing concurrently) my current thoughts on the current subject i am observing, be it music, a person, or art of any nature.
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« Reply #1 on May 5, 2009, 12:18am » | |
Beauty is subjective in every way, unfortunately. We call certain things beautiful only because a majority of society considers them pleasing, but that is by no means universal. When your perception of beauty changes, there are two reasons it could change. It could be that the thing you were considering changed in some way that may or may not be conscious. Alternately, you might change what you consider to be beautiful, while what you consider did not change. This happens particularly when listening music, I have noticed. In either case, though, what is beautiful depends solely on what you think. The only way to define beauty in an objective sense is to simply accept the most common (but still completely subjective) view.
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« Reply #2 on May 5, 2009, 2:02pm » | |
If you argue that art is subjective then there is no such thing as good or bad art? it is just less enjoyed art by one and more by the other. I think universally we can say that sidewalk chalk is "low" art, and that the mono lisa is "high" art. But how can we say that universally if beauty is completely subjective?
Why are the most attractive people often the ones everyone likes?
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« Reply #3 on May 5, 2009, 3:33pm » | |
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i don't think medium is the determining factor in beauty - i see beauty in mathematics and and physical interactions, patterns in numbers and in everyday occurrences.
Could it be that some claim things are not beautiful just to be different - and if they want to be different, why would that be? Can one convince themselves that ugly is in fact beauty - or do they never see i as beauty? Could peoples seeing things as lacking in beauty because of their intellectual laziness? Does everything have beauty? If everything has beauty, are something more beautiful than others?
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« Reply #4 on May 7, 2009, 10:23pm » | |
The best philosophic definition of beauty, as relating to aesthetics, I've come across is gloriously simple. Beauty is that which causes pleasure or delight. I would tend to add that true beauty is universal and not bound/restricted to culture.
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« Reply #5 on Jun 14, 2009, 1:15am » | |
So you think there is a theoretical ideal of "beauty" which, if discovered, would please the entire population of the earth? How Enlightenment Era of you.
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« Reply #6 on Jun 14, 2009, 4:54pm » | |
God's beauties are definitely not found to be such by all. Um, yes, they are.
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« Reply #7 on Jun 14, 2009, 6:25pm » | |
Are God's beauties found beautiful by sinners and depraved people? I think not.
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« Reply #8 on Jun 14, 2009, 9:11pm » | |
Please don't be so naive. Of course sinners can appreciate God's beauties. The sun rising, the sun setting and the stars above are all there for them to enjoy as are the calls of birds and the flowing of streams and tides of the oceans as the moon shifts around the earth. All men know outwardly that there is a God, but they reject that more and more as they "advance".
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« Reply #9 on Jun 14, 2009, 11:15pm » | |
You're right, I should have put an "all" or two in my statement, it was needlessly universal. But I do claim that not all people find such things beautiful - merely most, or many.
Jun 14, 2009, 9:11pm, warinthepocket wrote:| Please don't be so naive. |
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Please don't be so condescending.
Jun 14, 2009, 9:11pm, warinthepocket wrote:| All men know outwardly that there is a God, but they reject that more and more as they "advance". |
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Wait, so you believe that all athiests are simply lying about not believing there is a God?
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« Reply #10 on Sept 29, 2009, 5:15pm » | |
i would not act in such a condescending manner if you weren't to state things as absolutes when you do not truly know what it is that you write. Feel free to ponder with me, but keep absolutes and truths to what they are.
Also, consider that you have been throwing a fair share of knives carelessly.
Indeed. Romans 1.
Anyways, this is a rabbit hole from what this thread is really about. Let us return to the question of beauty.
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